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Live Video
Camera Stuff

Background

There are several reasons to use live video for initial TPoint mapping. I always prefer live video over an eyepiece, integrating CCD camera, or any other methods I have tried (drift) primarily for speed/cost and convenience. There is simply no substitute for instant 30 frames/second live video feedback when polar aligning. In the field this detailed method is the quickest way to get a reasonable polar alignment, in my opinion.
 

Granted the newer USB downloads found in many integrating CCD cameras are much better now but 30 frames/second is truly hard to beat and it is inexpensive and easier to use. And, when using TheSky6's Star Search to locate stars outside the field of view anything less than 30 frames/second becomes annoying, slow and nearly unsuitable for the task.

 

But what about the very small field of view found using all live video cameras? Yes, the smaller CCD detectors found in the common cheaper live video cameras are very small targets indeed. That is why I recommend focal reducing at first whenever possible. If you are patient Star Search will always find your target no matter how far outside your field the star is after the slew. If you find you are still having problems finding the first 6 to 12 stars (same side of the meridian and especially after flipping the meridian) you can use a Telerad, a wider field Finder Scope, or other second optic method with a wider field to place the star on or very near the smaller video detector first

Live Video - A Wide Field Finder

In fact, I usually employ a second live video CCD camera that is very sensitive and has a very wide field of view for this reason. A piggybacked 0.0003 lux camera (PC-164C from Super Circuits) coupled with a 12.5mm f/4 lens allows me to see 20 degrees of sky down to 6th magnitude. As long as the video camera is aligned with the main scope this becomes a very good star finding system.

Finder/wide field lens shown

In place piggy backed

After TPoint mapping 6 to 12 stars you will find that the pointing is improved significantly and most if not all stars will fall on the live video detector - before the meridian flip.  Usually to the point where you no longer need to use an additional finder or Telerad. After flipping the meridian you will then need 1 to 3 stars before the pointing is good enough to place stars in the small field. But again you can just use Star Search to find the missed stars.

How to Pipe Video directly into the PC or Laptop

Personally, I prefer the Belkin DVD Creator 2. For $99.00 it is hard to beat- a real bargain and works well. Any other video in source like a video card with composite in or other PCI video input boards will also work fine. The big advantage of USB 2.0 devices is they work on any PC equipped with a  USB 2.0 port.

 

NOTE:  Make sure you have installed the latest version of DirectX from Microsoft's web site!  If you are experiencing any problems using live video with any application get the update!

Belkin model

Video in S-Video or composite RCA

The Belkin USB DVD creator 2 video in unit is truly plug-n-play and works great. By using the laptop screen or desktop monitor you don't need another power source for a second composite video monitor either. The live video can be displayed directly on TheSky display and/or in CCDSoft using the video camera option.

PCMCIA Video In and frame capture - Great for Laptops!

For laptop users another more expensive but superior option is a video input PCMCIA adapter. Although pricey (~$349.00 US) these work extremely well and have many nice features.

Adirondack Video Astronomy

PCMCIA Video in ImperX

PCI Video Input Boards- PC Required

Video input boards are quite common. They range from about $100.00 on up. Any TV type PCI video board with RCA input jacks can be used. ATI Technologies sells several good models.

 

Adirondack Video Astronomy sells a very good PCI board for $379.00 US well suited for video in. Although pricey it has a lot of very advanced frame grabbing features. This board will work very well for grabbing clean images of the brighter planets and moon or minor planets.

Integral- FlashBus Spectrim Lite

Advanced Desktop PCI Frame Grabber
Note BNC connector in

Sample ATI basic TV board - PCI


Note composite RCA yellow connector

If you are on a very tight budget and don't need or care about any of the bells and whistles an entry level input board can be had for about $100.00 or less. Your local retail computer store should have them in stock or a Google Search will yield many options.

Inexpensive video monitor - options

$79.00 US Battery

or 12 volts

Wow cheap!
Color 7 inch LCD DVD player $82.00 US!
ASTAR PD-3040 Portable DVD Player With 7" Screen - Retail
And does the trick!
BTW: Get the extended warranty!!

 

Portable DVD players usually have an input for composite using the RCA connector as well. These can be purchased for as low as $82.00 US from Newegg.com. These double as a DVD player and will also run off a battery too.

Which Live Video Camera (CCD) to Use?

Any 30 frames/second black and white or even most color models will work adequately for mapping points with TPoint. This also greatly reduces the time needed to polar align. The lower the lux rating on the camera the fainter the stars the camera can see. With an 8 inch telescope and a 0.5 lux camera you can see stars to about ~8th magnitude. With a rating of .0003 and a 5 inch scope stars to 11th.  As long as the live video camera is capable of detecting stars down to about 3.5 or 4th magnitude in real-time it is sufficient for mapping . In TheSky use the View | Display Explorer | Star display properties and show all stars down to 4th magnitude and you can see the distribution of them across the sky. Plenty enough stars for mapping!

 

There are several good sources for Live Video cameras. The live video cameras range from about $49.00 to well over $600.00. Keep in mind that you get what you pay for and the more expensive cameras have a lot more to offer, variable brightness/contrast, variable gain control, variable shutter speeds, integration capability, frame averaging to name a few. However, the additional features offered by the more expensive live CCD cameras are certainly overkill for simple mapping purposes with TPoint or when used for live imaging of bright planets, the moon, the sun with solar filter, and the brighter stars.

 

NOTE:  Software Bisque sells the 1.25 inch to "C" nose piece to connect the Live video camera to your telescope. A 2 inch adapter may also be required. These sell for $29.00 and can also be purchased from Adirondack Video Astronomy. These are threaded to accommodate 1.25 inch filters as well. Upon request the cable to connect the video power to the instrument panel using the internal wiring can also be provided for about $29.00. This makes cabling clean and neat. Just plug the power supply into the BASE panel using Aux 1 or Aux 2 then the optional cable takes power from the same Aux port on the instrument panel to the live video camera.

Camera section - Recommendations

Adirondack Video Astronomy

A
stroVid 2000
Stella Cam
PC-64C

 

AstroVid 2000
 
Optional 1.25 inch nose shown

 

Super Circuits

PC-23C
PC-152C
PC-164C 0.0003 Lux
PC-33C
SSC-M183

PC164C Super Low Light - High Res Monochrome Video Camera security camera, video security camera, surveillance camera
Optional wide field lens shown

GBC

CCTV

No Pic

 

Contact the manufacturer's listed above with specific questions regarding the live video cameras they offer. Again, keep in mind that each camera has certain strengths and or weaknesses and the more you spend on the camera the more features and options you will get.

Video Camera Cabling section

Nearly all live video cameras employ a BNC male type connector on the back of the camera. These type of locking connectors work well since the video cable cannot simply fall off the back of the camera. If your video input (monitor) uses an RCA type connector (i.e. Belkin featured above) a BNC female to composite male or female RCA connector can be used.

 

Most black and white video monitors also use the BNC male connector on the back. However, for TV's or less expensive monitors with video inputs the RCA type connector is more common. In these cases you need to convert the cable from BNC to RCA. Easy enough.

L-com site


Male BNC to Female RCA

Coaxial Adapter, BNC Female / RCA Female
Connector ~$2.95 US

BNC to RCA Composite L-COM
Coaxial Adapter, BNC Male / RCA Female
Connector ~$2.50 US

 

Note: L-COM also sells cables that use the BNC connector on one end and the RCA male connector on the other. This works well and eliminates the additional adapters. However, they only offer 1 to 12 foot lengths. If you need to extend the cable further you can use an inline male to male coupler and another longer cable with BNC female connectors. These hold together better than the RCA cables and connectors.

Cool!
RG59A Cable, RCA Male / BNC Male, 3.0 ft
1 to 12 foot lengths
Works directly with Belkin DVD creator

Cabling - Paramount ME users either Portable or Permanent

Related Links


Personally I always run the video cable/power through the Paramount ME before installing the Versa-Plate. This is very convenient and leaves the other Aux Connectors free for future use. I also prefer to run two CAT6 or CAT5 cables up through the Paramount at the same time and one to two phone cables for RS-232 devices that use only 3 wires as well. This should accommodate just about everything. The above "related link" Remote Telescope control and cabling options has more details and cabling options.

Super Circuits - Audio/Video/Power
EXT50 50' Video Audio Power Cable
Handy-  Run through the Paramount ME!
Also available in shorter lengths

Or if you don't need or care about the audio cable the following works great. It is very thin so it takes up little room in the mount and supplies the video signal and power signal. These cables are available in smaller lengths too.

Super Circuits - Video/ Power only
CAB-BNC-50 - 50' BNC to BNC Heavy Duty Coaxial Cable
Note the BNC to RCA connector is supplied

CCDSoft and Live Video

NOTE:  To use CCDSoft5 with the Video In source pick the Video driver listed in the Camera Setup dialog see below. And you can even use CCDSoft to automatically center the bright stars for you!  Just calibrate the live video camera first just like you normally would an auto guider (make sure the hold down relay times are bumped up to something like 150!). Once the live video has been calibrated (like an auto guider but using DirectGuide) you can have CCDSoft move the star in the x and y directions to automatically center it for you then just map the star in TheSky.


Video Capture Software (VidCap32 ) - Free!

There is a free for download program called VidCap32.exe which makes setting the video options quite easy. Because CCDSoft does not currently have provisions for setting brightness and contrast (among other settings) you may find VIDCAP32 very worthwhile and simple to use. If the link above doesn't work search the Internet for the file by name and you will find several download sites or,

Download VidCap32 from my site here or from the web.

VidCap32 works well and is free

Use Options | Video Source | Device Settings

On the video source dialog you can set the best values for brightness/contrast, hue and saturation as needed. You want a BLACK background and a clean white star. See below example.

Set video settings here

Disconnect when you are done!

Warning! You must free up the connection Before CCDSoft can connect to the live video camera or you will receive an error.

CCDSoft Video Camera Setup

CCDSoft camera setup

Choose the video camera under settings

Video Camera Settings

Only 1 variable the board number

Select the video camera driver and board number then press connect. If you can't connect make sure you are not using any other application with the video input and that the video driver is loaded and working correctly. Use the VidCap32 program to test.

Live preview Window

in CCDSoft

After you have taken a CCD image and it saved (use auto save | and set to "on") you can plot a target on the screen showing the center of the chip. The following image shows the target and the star after CCDSoft has centered it for you. In fact just assign the center VB script to one of CCDSoft's script launching buttons for easy access. See below!

Enabling the image cross hair | Image | Show Cross Hair

CCDSoft has a feature which convenieintly places a cross hair on the image for you. See below. Centering a star is now quite easy. Press either the number "6" key on the keyboard or use Image | Show Cross Hair.

Star centered for you by CCDSoft

Now ready to Map!

How to Assign a script to a mouse click - Handy for quick live mapping

Using View | Tool Bars | Tool Bars Setup in CCDSoft 5 will allow you enable the "Run Script" tool bar as shown below. Then you can simply press an unassigned button and assign any script to that button for quick simple easy painless access.  The name of the script is shown on the button.  See the following assigned example scripts AtFocus, CenterAndTake, autosaveoff, and autosaveon, Take Image and Map, etc. Being able to easily invoke scripts this way comes in very handy indeed.

View Tool Bars | Setup

Check Run Script

Cool!  Very handy tool

Live video mapping script access

If you wish to "CLEAR" a pre-assigned button press CONTROL+SHIFT+the button to assign a different script. Browse your Computer for the script you want to assign. See below.

Press the button to assign

Browse My Computer (yours) for the script file

DirectGuide?

To use a live video camera which does not have relays to move the mount you need to use CCDSoft's DirectGuide option with the Paramount ME/GT-1100S. DirectGuide will move the Paramount by using the control system to move the mount rather than relying on the relays. This allows for very smooth performance.

Use DirectGuide in CCDSoft !

And larger calibration times!

Now calibrate live video just as you would an auto-guider. CCDSoft can then automatically center the stars for you provided they are in the field. If not Star Search them out first, followed by the center.

SBIG ST-V

SBIG's STV CCD and other CCD cameras with very fast USB downloads are also fully functional for mapping. These cameras are more than sensitive enough but some have very small CCD detectors yielding very small fields of view. Also, they are not as fast as a "real-time" 30 frames/second CCD so mapping is a bit more difficult and they are much more expensive compared to the live video cameras that can be had for about $100.00 or less. The screen updates with any digitizing CCD that is NOT LIVE video are a bit annoying "slow" but perfectly functional if you have the patience!