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Create DSS image
M97 example

 

Requires


Trouble shooting Error messages
 

Can't find image with proper CD inserted
No Image found to extract
Unable to access the headers path

Creating DSS Image in CCDSoft/RealSkyView

First things first.

 

Before creating the DSS image from TheSky first make sure that CCDSoft/RealSkyView are able to create DSS images on their own.  This will verify that you have the correct settings in the DSS Setup dialog.

DSS Setup

CCDSoft 5 - Research | Sky Survey Digitized | Sky Survey Setup

RealSkyView - DSS | Setup

Check your CD and hard drive settings

and the Headers path

RealSkyView users must TYPE in the proper drive letter and path.  Entering the wrong headers folder will yield the following error message!  See below!

CCDSoft users can Browse the hard disk for the Headers folder.

Unable to access the headers path error message

Invalid headers folder specified!

Change the headers path

Installing the headers

RealSkyView users simply install the application using the installation Disk V.  This will install the RealSkyView application and copy the headers folder to the hard disk for you. RealSky users with both North and South MUST install using the CD that came with RealSky South!

 

NOTE:  CCDSoft users must copy the Headers folder from the RealSky disk "V" installation disk.  The headers folder can be placed on any drive and in any folder.

Check your drive settingsCCDSoft

Use the "..." button to the right of Headers Path

The headers folder can be placed anywhere on any drive!

102 CD Palomar Sky Survey users

Choose the option "Low compression (requires the 102 CD-ROM Digitized Sky Survey)" above AND then copy the headers from the CD-ROM labeled #102 on to your hard disk.

DSS 102 CD set

Copy headers from CD-ROM #102

RealSky North and South Users

Make sure you are using the installation found on CD-ROM V that is included with RealSky South.  This CD with the copyright (see below) has the newer header files that support the entire sky.
 

CCDSoft users need to copy the headers folder from the installation CD on to the hard disk and then change the above headers path.  If you have the wrong headers you will not be able to access all of the images.  The message No Image found to extract will result.  Also make sure you have the latest update to RealSkyView and or CCDSoft as well.

RealSky South Install CD

Copyright notice RealSky/DSS data copyright

For those wanting to copy all of the CD's to the hard disk (102 Palomar set or RealSky 18) please see knowledge base article 1044 for complete details.

 

In CCDSoft use Research | Digitized Sky Survey | Target List and open the Messier target list provided with CCDSoft/RealSkyView.

Open the Messier.LST file and find M97

Press the View button

Prompt for CD

You must have a CD-ROM from RealSky in the drive BEFORE attempting to create the image.  CCDSoft does not know which CD it will need until then (cart before the horse)!  This is why installing all the CD's to the hard disk is best whenever possible.  If you have the data on the hard disk or the proper CD-ROM in the drive CD#2 for RealSky or CD #70 for the 102 CD version you will never be prompted and the images are created almost instantaneously!

NOTE: 200 gig hard drives are now as low as $98.00!

TheSky6 prompting for CD

M97 found on RealSky CD#2

Be patient!

DSS image appears RealSky/DSS data copyright

NOTE: Note the north angle for the DSS image of M97 is not 0.00 degrees!  This is indicated by the North/East indicator on the image above in the upper left.  The north angle is actually 3.4 degrees.

CCDSoft/RealSkyView North indicator

In CCDSoft use Research | Digitized Sky Survey | Orientation.  In RealSkyView use DSS | Orientation to enable the North/East indicator plotted on the DSS image.

Note: The position angle will change with the DSS images!  The following example image of the Trifid nebula in TheSky demonstrates this.  This north angle is nearly 0 degrees at 0.31 degrees.


RealSky/DSS data copyright

Creating the DSS image from TheSky

When you can successfully create DSS images using CCDSoft/RealSkyView you can then find an object in TheSky and have an embedded DSS image created for you.

 

After centering the object of interest (Edit | Find M97 in the example) use Tools | Image Link | Create Digitized Sky Survey Image as shown below.

Tools | Image Link | Create Digitized Survey Image

CCDSoft/RealSkyView will create image

The Image Link Tool Bar

You can also use the Image Link Tool bar to create DSS images from a single button.  See below.  Enable the tool bar using View | Tool Bars | then Setup.

Image Link

Tool Bar

The following animated GIF shows what happens when the Create DSS option is used in TheSky.

Example TheSky before creating DSS image
Default Owl Nebula Thumbnail image not displayed for clarity!


And after, note the position angle will change!
RealSky/DSS data copyright

North Angle shown for M97 by TheSky

Image Link Tool bar Create DSS image
RealSky/DSS data copyright

Regardless of TheSky's current position angle (91.54 degrees above) AFTER creating the DSS image TheSky's position angle will automatically be adjusted to match the image north angle.  To see this enable the handy Rotate tool BEFORE creating the DSS image in TheSky.

Enabling the Rotate Tool

Very handy!

Enabling the North/East indicator TheSky

TheSky's View | Reference Lines

The North and East directions are now displayed
 

Trifid example DSS image North Angle very near zero

North/East indicator visible

North angle nearly 0 degrees
RealSky/DSS data copyright

Problematic images - Near the north and south celestial pole

NOTE: The closer you get to the north celestial pole the worse the distortion.  Meaning that the images in TheSky will not exactly match the DSS image.

6 degrees from the North Celestial Pole

Note Red markers are stars from TheSky
RealSky/DSS data copyright

Here you can see the error.  The red stars from TheSky do not match the DSS stars.  The smaller the field of view the smaller the distortion.  This is normal.

Demonstration Movie (TheSky5/CCDSoft)

Download the Movie (268 kb)

The above example EXE file was made using Microsoft Camcorder.  Be patient.  The image delay is the time it takes to create an image from the CD-ROMS.  Accessing the data on the hard drive is nearly instantaneous!

M51 example

M51 DSS image created by TheSky & RealSkyView

One mouse click creates the DSS image
RealSky/DSS data copyright

The north angle found for M51 is 2.26 degrees.

 

NOTE:   If you are not at 2 degrees or less when using TheSky version 6 and CCDSoft 5 TheSky will default to a 1 degree 25 arc minute field BEFORE creating the DSS image.  TheSky5 version will set a default field of 30 arc minutes if you are outside of 1 degree.  TheSky version 5 is limited to only a 1 degree field as well as CCDSoft 4 and RealSkyView.  CCDSoft 4 and RealSkyView users can upgrade to CCDSoft 5 for only $99.00.  Software Bisque Support Corner for upgrades.

FAQ's (Frequently Asked Questions)

How can I find the planets on the plates?

Most if not all of the brighter planets were intentionally avoided when the data was created.  The data is used by the Hubble telescope for positioning so the goal was to reach all faint stars for reference.  Pluto can easily be found on the plates using TheSky because it does not move very fast.  I suspect that Uranus and Neptune are also imaged but have not found them myself.  The following web page shows exactly how to identify Pluto on the data using TheSky

Where is Pluto on the POSS Plates?

Minor Planets on the other hand CAN be found.  Provided you have orbital elements close to the date the plate was taken.  Using current orbital elements for the minor planets may or not work depending on stable the minor planet orbit is.

 

Can I load only the Northern or Southern Hemisphere for my latitude to save some space?

 

Yes.  Keep in mind the cut off declination for the North is about the declination of the star Sirius so you won't get any images below that if you only use the Northern set.  Using TheSky you can plot the CD-ROM numbers that cover the area of sky for you latitude then only copy those CD ROM numbered discs that are visible using both North and South data to fill in the gap.  Remember that you will loose any other objects not visible from your location if you do so.  Because hard drive space is incredibly cheap now the easiest and best solution is simply to install 18 CD-ROMS.

CD-ROM SDB for labeling the CD's

CD Rom numbers for both North and South at 39.5 degree latitude

Note the higher numbered CD's 11-15 from the South set

How can I see what CD-ROM number is needed for the area of the sky I am looking at?

 

There are Sky database files (SDB files) included with TheSky that contain the CD-ROM numbers for plotting over TheSky display.  There is one for the North "RealSky North.SDB", one for the South, "RealSky South.SDB" and one for both RealSky "North & South.SDB"  The plate number and date/time can also be plotted if you like.  This way you can see what areas of sky are covered by what CD-ROM numbers.  The following page has details on how to activate the SDB files.

Where are these SDB files located?

The SDB files are found in the \TheSky6\User\SDB's folder.

There are 4 SDB's. The POSS.SDB is the entire sky using the 102 CD-ROM set, RealSky North, RealSky South and RealSky North & South. Following is the folder showing these.

Add the ones you want

Double mouse click or press Add

These SDB's are of object type Reference Point. Make sure that Reference Point is set to visible or they will not show! Click here for complete details on the use of SDB files.

RealSky North distribution using RealSky North SDB

Northern data cut-off at ~15 degrees declination

Please contact the Software Bisque Support Corner for questions.

 

No Image found to extract

If you have only the Northern hemisphere version of RealSky CD's 1-8 and try to access objects below the -15 degree cut-off (see above) you will receive the error message No Image found to extract.  And the same is true for having only the Southern version when trying access objects above -15 degrees south.  RealSky North and South users need not be concerned.

However you MUST use the headers from the RealSky Disk V that is included with the south or you will see the above error message when trying to access the North!

Can't find image with proper CD inserted - Error Code = 608 (0X260)

If you have the correct CD placed in the drive and yet you still are prompted to insert the same CD-ROM the CD-ROM drive letter in the DSS setup is not correct or you have inserted the CD-ROM into the wrong CD drive. See error below.

Wrong CD in the drive OR
 wrong CD drive letter specified in the DSS | Setup